The Longevity Podcast: Optimizing HealthSpan & MindSpan

How Thoughts Rewrite Your Body’s Code

• Dung Trinh

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We trace an eight-stage cascade showing how meaning turns into chemistry, gene expression, protein shifts, and long-term health. We share evidence from stress science and epigenetics and close with tools that let you edit the script.

• early-life context shaping the epigenome
• cognitive appraisal connecting belief to meaning
• emotional circuits and neurochemical blends
• HPA axis dynamics and cortisol costs
• epigenetic switches adjusting gene accessibility
• protein-level changes including BDNF and cytokines
• system-wide effects on immunity, mood, and metabolism
• practical interventions to reframe, calm, and recalibrate


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SPEAKER_01:

We often chat about beliefs and thoughts like they're well, this idea is floating around, right? Maybe something for philosophy class.

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Yeah, sort of abstract stuff.

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Exactly. But the science we're digging into today, it turns that completely on its head. It shows your beliefs aren't just mental fluff. They're uh like a physical script.

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Aaron Powell A biological script, yeah. It actively changes your brain chemistry, fiddles with your gene expression.

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And ultimately shapes your actual physical health. It's pretty wild.

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It really is. And that's our mission today, isn't it? To walk you through how this happens step by step. We're talking about an eight-stage cascade backed by solid neuroscience.

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Aaron Powell We want to show you how the meaning you give to things translates into real, measurable effects inside your cells.

SPEAKER_00:

Aaron Powell Right. Forget the vague mind-body connection idea for a second. This is the cellular mechanics.

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Think of it as the blueprint, how a thought and interpretation becomes, well, matter, physiology.

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We start with something happening, you filter it through your beliefs, and bam, a cascade of biological signals kicks off.

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Okay, let's trace that path. From the outside world right down to your proteins. Hashtag tag tag inter input interpretation and biology. So step one is simple enough. A situation, something happens.

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Could be anything. Sensory input, seeing something, hearing something, or even an internal feeling like pain.

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But here's the kicker, right? That input doesn't just land neutrally in your brain. It gets filtered instantly.

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Uh-huh. Filtered through all your past experiences, the context you're in.

SPEAKER_01:

And this filtering starts really early in life, doesn't it?

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Oh, absolutely. Developmental neurobiology shows this clearly. Your early environment, your experiences, they leave actual chemical marks on your DNA.

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Chemical marks. You mean like physically changing the DNA?

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Not the sequence itself, but how it's read. We call it the epigenome. These marks basically decide which genes are primed and ready to go and which are kept quiet.

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So your history literally sets the stage for how you'll react later. It becomes part of the biological filter.

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Precisely. Those marks accumulate, they get rearranged by experience, it shapes your sensitivity, your resilience, long before the situation even occurs.

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Okay, so the input's filtered. Then comes step two assigning meaning. This is where beliefs really dig in.

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Yes, because the brain isn't just a passive recorder, it interprets actively.

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It decides what that filtered input means.

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Exactly. That's cognitive appraisal. It's this rapid evaluation process involving circuits that connect your thinking brain, the prefrontal cortex, with your emotional core, the limbic system.

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And they basically ask, is this good for me or bad? Reward or threat?

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Based on your beliefs, your context, your history, all those epigenetic marks we just talked about.

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And you see this play out all the time. An optimist sees a tough project as a chance to grow.

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Well, someone more pessimistic sees the exact same project as a disaster waiting to happen, same event, totally different meaning assigned.

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And research shows just changing the context, like who's around you when something happens, can flip the switch on whether it feels positive or negative.

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Right. Your knowledge, your beliefs, they can strain the emotional value. Hashtag tag the emotional and chemical cascade.

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Okay, so the meaning is set, threat or reward. What happens next? The emotion. Right. Step three.

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Immediately. The meaning assigned triggers a corresponding emotion. And that feeling isn't just a feeling. It's a specific pattern of activity firing up in those limbic areas.

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Places like the amygdala, the insula.

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Uh-huh. And they translate that cognitive meaning into neurochemical reality.

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Aaron Powell, we're talking about the actual chemicals now.

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Yep. The mononeurotransmitters, you've got dopamine for reward, that yes feeling.

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Serotonin, often linked with things like sadness, maybe disgust or punishment signals.

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Right. And noroponephrine or noradrenaline, that's your classic fear, anger, get ready to move chemical. Yeah. Fight or flight arousal.

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So the specific blend of these chemicals creates the quality of the emotion we feel.

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Aaron Powell Exactly. And if the appraisal is positive, say you feel connected to someone or joyful, you also get releases of things like oxytocin and endorphins.

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The feel-good hormones.

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Which are actually really good at counteracting stress chemicals.

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Okay. But what if the appraisal screams danger? What if it's perceived as a threat? We've gone from thought to meaning to chemical profile. How fast does that hit the body's main stress system?

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Very fast. A threat appraisal triggers the big one, the HPA axis. Hypothalamic pituitary adrenal axis.

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Right, the body's main stress response system.

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It's a chain reaction. Your hypothalamus releases a hormone, CRH, that tells the pituitary gland to release another ACTH.

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Which then signals the adrenal glands sitting on top of your kidneys.

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To pump out cortisol.

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Ah, cortisol, the famous stress hormone, gets the heart pumping, blood pressure up, mobilizes energy, gets you ready to run or fight.

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Exactly. Now here's a really crucial point from the research. A short burst of cortisol, acute stress, it can actually temporarily boost parts of your immune system. Makes sense for a short crisis.

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Okay, like needing extra defenses if you, you know, cut yourself while running from that tiger.

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Sort of, yeah. But the problem is chronic activation. If your beliefs and appraisals keep you in a state of perceived threat all the time, then the HPA axis keeps firing and cortisol stays high constantly. And that's where it gets damaging. Chronically high cortisol suppresses your overall immune function. It also ramps up inflammation throughout your body by increasing pro-inflammatory cytokines.

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So persistent negative beliefs literally keep your body in an inflamed immune suppressed state.

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That's the biological reality of it. Yep. Hashtag tag tag the epigenetic and genetic shift.

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Wow. Okay, so we've got this chemical soup cortisol, neurotransmitters flowing around. Step five is where it gets even more fundamental, right? Changes in gene expression. How does a hormone floating in the blood talk to our actual DNA?

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It communicates with the cell nucleus. These chemical signals, the cortisol, the others, they activate what we call epigenetic mechanisms. Things like DNA methylation and histone modification.

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Okay, break that down. Epigenetics.

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Think of your DNA sequence as the hardware, the basic code. Epigenetics is like the software that tells the hardware which programs to run and how intensely. These mechanisms add or remove low chemical tags to the DNA or the proteins it's wrapped around.

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So they don't change the actual genes?

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Nope. The sequence stays the same. But these tags change how accessible a gene is. They act like volume knobs, turning genes up or down.

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Aaron Powell Wait, hang on. Are you saying my chronic worrying about something isn't just a feeling, it's leaving like physical marks that tell my genes to act differently?

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Aaron Powell That's exactly what the research shows. It's leaving an epigenetic signature. We see it clearly with early life stress. It can lead to increased methylation on stress response genes.

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Aaron Powell Making the HPA axis more reactive later in life, contributing to anxiety.

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Aaron Powell Correct. But here's the flip side, the hopeful part. Positive interventions can change these marks too. One fascinating study looked at experienced meditators.

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Yeah.

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After just an eight-hour mindfulness session, they showed changes in methylation at 61 different spots in their genome compared to a control group, just relaxing quietly.

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Eight hours? That's incredible. So our thoughts, our behaviors, our focus, they're actively rearranging these volume knobs on our DNA.

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They leave physical signatures, which leads directly to step six proteins made or inhibited. Because genes are basically instruction manuals for building proteins.

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And proteins do all the work in the cell.

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Everything. So if epigenetics changes which genes are on or off or turned up or down, that dictates which proteins get built or blocked.

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Can you give an example? Like in the brain.

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Sure. A key protein for learning in memory is BDNF, brain-derived neurotrophic factor. It helps build and strengthen connections between neurons. Its production is regulated epigenetically, often via those histone modifications.

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So positive learning experiences might epigenetically boost BDNF production.

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That's the idea. And conversely, stress can interfere. Stress-related epigenetic changes can inhibit proteins needed for forming long-term memories. It can lead to what's called long-term depression of synaptic strength, making it harder for the brain to learn and adapt. Exactly. And stress can also upregulate the genes that make inflammatory proteins, those cytokines we mentioned. So the whole protein landscape of the cell shifts based on the epigenetic response to your mental state. Hashtag tag tag downstream effects and health outcomes.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay, so we've changed the proteins being made. Step seven must be the downstream effects, right? What does this new protein mix actually do system-wide?

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Right. We connect it back to the body's major systems. In the nervous system, like we said, more BDNF means better memory and plasticity. Less B D and F is linked to depression and cognitive decline.

SPEAKER_01:

That makes sense. What about the immune system? You mentioned chronic cortisol suppresses it.

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Yeah, the sustained cortisol suppresses T cell function. Those are key immune fighters and reduces antibody production. It literally makes you more vulnerable.

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Low infections, colds, flu.

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Yes. But potentially more serious things, too. The immune system also plays a role in watching for and eliminating cancerous cells. If it's suppressed, well, surveillance goes down.

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So if your beliefs constantly paint the world as hostile, your internal security force gets weakened and distracted.

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That's a good way to put it. And the metabolic system takes a hit too. Those elevated stress hormones, cortisol and oradrenaline, they keep the body in that pro-inflammatory state.

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Which contributes to chronic diseases.

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Things like atherosclerosis hardening of the arteries and type 2 diabetes are strongly linked to chronic inflammation.

SPEAKER_01:

Wow. So the path goes from belief to emotion, to chemicals, to genes, to proteins, and then straight into the mechanisms of major chronic diseases.

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That brings us to step eight, the overall health outcomes. This is the end result of that entire cascade playing out over time.

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The culmination where the belief becomes a tangible health reality.

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Exactly. Chronic stress, negative belief patterns. They lead to that sustained HPA activation, those specific DNA methylation patterns on stressed genes, the overproduction of inflammatory proteins. A whole range of potential negative outcomes. Suppressed immunity, like we said, higher risk of cardiovascular disease, obesity, diabetes, and a significantly increased vulnerability to mood disorders.

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Anxiety, depression, PTSD.

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Absolutely. There's compelling research linking specific epigenetic marks, often laid down by childhood adversity or trauma, to the later development of conditions like PTSD and major depression. The biological script was altered early on.

SPEAKER_01:

That sounds quite deterministic, almost bleak.

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It could, but here's the crucial empowering part. We are not just passive victims of this cascade.

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Because we can change the input, right? The meaning we assign.

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Precisely. Nurturing different beliefs, actively practicing adaptive appraisals, like consciously reframing a challenge, looking for the opportunity instead of just the threat that promotes resilience.

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And that changes the physiology.

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Yes. It changes the signals going into the cascade. Things like mindfulness, stress management techniques, cognitive behavioral therapy. These aren't just coping.

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They're actually recalibrating the biochemical pathways.

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The research strongly suggests they are. They can influence those epigenetic signatures, lower stress hormones, reduce inflammation, and shift the whole physiological trajectory towards health. You can consciously intervene in the process. Hashtag outro.

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Okay, that was quite a journey. Let's recap quickly for everyone. It starts with a situation filtered through your past that leads to the meaning you assign via cognitive appraisal, which triggers an emotion.

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That emotion creates chemical signals, often involving the HPA axis and cortisol. Those chemicals cause changes in gene expression via epigenetic signatures.

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Which determines the proteins made or inhibited, leading to downstream effects in your body systems, and finally culminating in your overall health outcome.

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It really underscores the power of that cognitive appraisal step, doesn't it? How you interpret the world is constantly shaping your biology.

SPEAKER_01:

So maybe a final thought for everyone listening to Mullover.

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Yeah, if your everyday thoughts, your appraisals can leave measurable physical marks on your genes, if they influence how well your immune system even works, what cognitive habit might be the single most powerful health tool you're currently overlooking?

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If your belief system really is your biological operating script.

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How actively are you editing that code? Something to think about.